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Post by nomorewirehanger on Apr 28, 2016 20:28:40 GMT -7
It's interesting to me. I've always said if we had a boy I would let L decide. As he and from my understanding B are both circumcised I'm sure he would have opted for it. Still not sure how a Jewish right of passage became medical norm actually. It's quite uncommon for Boys not to be circumcised actually. In the states anyway. I would have to research at what point it became main stream.
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Post by KyLady on Apr 28, 2016 20:38:14 GMT -7
Colin is circumcised, neither of my boys are, it was not an option in my mind. I honestly do not see a difference between western male circumcision and western female circumcision. I'm not talking about full female circumcision, that shit is horrific, but rarely if ever practiced in western countries to my understanding. And when laws are being made, the pictures and stories are trotted out to horrify us, so that people cannot make the ritual nicks to their baby girls labia that are inarguably less damaging than what we do to little boys penises regularly. I honestly believe the difference is nothing more than racism. Their genital mutilation is different from our genital mutilation and therefore evil!
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Post by smokinghorse on Apr 28, 2016 20:47:08 GMT -7
I am also not a fan of circumcision for either gender. I disagree that it's no more severe than male circumcision, but that's another issue.
My point was just that using religion as the meter of whether any medical procedure is legal or worthy of prosecution allows it to be as horrifying and unnecessary as the parent believes it to be. Because it's sacred, it can be justified, regardless of how harmful it is or isn't.
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Post by smokinghorse on Apr 28, 2016 20:54:39 GMT -7
My challenge to Chuck regarding circumcision was: Read everything you can find. If you can provide any reason other than "I want his guy to look like my guy", we'll talk. Otherwise, my son's penis will remain exactly as Mother Nature designed it until he's 18 and chooses otherwise for himself.
There are several mentions in the Bible. Not surprisingly, many verses are cited both for and against.
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Post by KyLady on Apr 28, 2016 21:03:50 GMT -7
I'm not disagreeing necessarily. I'm just trying to find where the line should be drawn. Why is male circumcision allowed by not female? At what age can kids be allowed to play unsupervised? . In my back yard, at the park down the street, across town? We have a trampoline, the only time someone has been hurt on it I was right there and we had a net, the net had been taken down and I frequently don't supervise the kids on there, am I now more legally liable than I was when Patrick actually broke his leg on the thing while I was watching him? I vaccinate my kids, I have a friend who doesn't. If both our kids get sick and die, does she go to jail and I don't?
I don't really know what position I'm arguing lol, I think I'm hoping that if I keep talking it out, things will make more sense in my own head, right now all I'm certain about is that I'm uncomfortable with how easy it seems to be to be convicted of bad parenting any time someone differs from the norm.
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Post by smokinghorse on Apr 28, 2016 21:48:37 GMT -7
Lol, I'm feeling the same way!! I think we're both in the middle, just from different sides.
You're right. It feels very inconsistant. Like what is the bad parenting "Flavor of the month". It feels like there should be hard and fast rules, because safety and freedom are Rights we deeply care about. On the one hand, I'd really like to say that many of these will have to be decided on a case by case basis, guided by common sense. The problem is that, in America, common sense is really, well, uncommon. Maybe in your more rational country, that would work beautifully. We are incapable of it. We are polarized on so many issues. Debate here is non-existant. No one wants compromise, or has a desire to consider new ideas or approaches. Our democracy has two driving forces: misinformation and blame, used to engender apathy, generate fear, reward greed, highlight differences, and promote anger in an attempt to garner wealth, control and power.
Not that I'm cynical or anything.
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Post by KyLady on Apr 29, 2016 6:59:55 GMT -7
I wish I could say I live in a more rational country that I could trust to use common sense on a case by case basis, but I'm losing my faith in my fellow country people.
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