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Post by mon on Nov 15, 2015 5:28:54 GMT -7
This is something I think about when I'm outside with the kids at recess. We are in an open area. We have one door to get in that is locked, and we have one key for two to three adults who are outside. There is no where to hide. You can drive straight up to the play area without anybody stopping you. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Most schools are the same way as ours. Our playground is about 10 yards from the door which is in the back. We do have an armed police officer on campus, but he is at the front. You come by at lunch and we have anywhere from 40-85 kids outside.
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Post by kissy on Nov 15, 2015 6:21:32 GMT -7
I think it's important to recognize that what happened in Paris is not the same as mentally ill people in the US shooting up schools or movie theaters. These are two different and separate issues. Christians are not waging war on innocents, not even Westboro Baptists Church followers. This is a much bigger issue than most of us even realize because it's something that we just don't understand--not Trump and not even GW Bush. ISIS isn't interested in living peacefully among people of other religious beliefs, they want total control and domination, and if you don't follow the path they've laid out you are an infidel and must be punished/die. It's all about control. It's deeply ingrained in their belief system and it starts in childhood. I read an article recently that talked about how us trying to 'change' those beliefs may not be the answer, which is what we seem to be trying to do. It makes sense, on the surface, but it's quite possible that it's just not doable. So we must find another strategy. Unfortunately, as an empathetic nation of people, we see the innocents who live amongst these monsters suffer and we want to save them. But we can't. They HAVE to learn to save themselves. Here's an article I started reading this morning, I haven't finished it, it's long and it contains words I don't really understand so it's something to read when you have the time, if you're interested. But it attempts to draw to light the reality of this situation. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/Contrary to the popular belief of some in this country and others, we are not a war mongering nation. Building a fence will serve no purpose--the people who intend to inflict harm on us, and those people in Paris, entered legally. We aren't talking about Mexicans crossing the border here, we are talking about foreigners obtaining the proper documents to enter and reside right along side of us. They are smart, they are dedicated, and they are evil. How do we discern them from others? I don't know. |
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Post by nomorewirehanger on Nov 15, 2015 7:02:14 GMT -7
I think it's important to recognize that what happened in Paris is not the same as mentally ill people in the US shooting up schools or movie theaters. These are two different and separate issues. Christians are not waging war on innocents, not even Westboro Baptists Church followers. This is a much bigger issue than most of us even realize because it's something that we just don't understand--not Trump and not even GW Bush. ISIS isn't interested in living peacefully among people of other religious beliefs, they want total control and domination, and if you don't follow the path they've laid out you are an infidel and must be punished/die. It's all about control. It's deeply ingrained in their belief system and it starts in childhood. I read an article recently that talked about how us trying to 'change' those beliefs may not be the answer, which is what we seem to be trying to do. It makes sense, on the surface, but it's quite possible that it's just not doable. So we must find another strategy. Unfortunately, as an empathetic nation of people, we see the innocents who live amongst these monsters suffer and we want to save them. But we can't. They HAVE to learn to save themselves. Here's an article I started reading this morning, I haven't finished it, it's long and it contains words I don't really understand so it's something to read when you have the time, if you're interested. But it attempts to draw to light the reality of this situation. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/Contrary to the popular belief of some in this country and others, we are not a war mongering nation. Building a fence will serve no purpose--the people who intend to inflict harm on us, and those people in Paris, entered legally. We aren't talking about Mexicans crossing the border here, we are talking about foreigners obtaining the proper documents to enter and reside right along side of us. They are smart, they are dedicated, and they are evil. How do we discern them from others? I don't know. Yup. Yup. Yup. |
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Post by smokinghorse on Nov 15, 2015 9:13:50 GMT -7
I don't know if there is a strategy. These people think that what they're doing is holy. So not only do they hate our lifestyles, our freedoms, and our beliefs, they think God does, too. Fundamentally, they believe they have an OBLIGATION to obliterate us. And, like Kissy said, they're not only smart, they're patient. They'll spend 20 years blending in as your next door neighbor. They have time. We have to rewrite the rulebooks here, but we don't know where to start.
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Post by mon on Nov 15, 2015 9:24:15 GMT -7
Still think we need a wall, and it is not just because of terrorists coming across. Not going to change my mind on that one. I know way to many Europeans that have spent tens of thousands of dollars to come here legally and become citizens. My Bosnian friend who came here on a refugee status during the Bosnian war won tell you that it isn't fair that she had to pay thousands of dollars to become a legal citizen while if you walk across the border and go about it that way, you get a pass because of the horrid conditions they have. I call bs on that. You should here her story of living in a refugee camp for 18 months, being separated from her family because they sent her husband and son to Phoenix while she and her daughter were sent here, and losing another child who was 18 months old. They got separated in said camp. She has no idea if he is alive or dead, and that was 20 years ago. I'm sorry if you think I'm mean for wanting to stem the flow of illegal immigration, but good grief I'm sick of feeling like I'm uncaring because I'm staunchly conservative. I'm not ashamed of it. I will give you the last dollar I have, but don't anybody dare tell me I don't care about a group of people and their plight
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Post by mon on Nov 15, 2015 9:25:12 GMT -7
We will never win over the minds of ISIS and their ilk. The only thing they understand is to be destroyed. I don't think we as a country have the stomach to destroy them
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Post by mon on Nov 15, 2015 9:26:52 GMT -7
We will never win over the minds of ISIS and their ilk. The only thing they understand is to be destroyed. I don't think we as a country have the stomach to destroy them Or at least the leadership in place to |
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Post by kissy on Nov 15, 2015 18:13:43 GMT -7
Looks like France may have brought some shock and awe to ISIS...
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Nov 15, 2015 20:21:51 GMT -7
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Post by smokinghorse on Nov 15, 2015 20:21:51 GMT -7
We will never win over the minds of ISIS and their ilk. The only thing they understand is to be destroyed. I don't think we as a country have the stomach to destroy them Or at least the leadership in place to How would we go about destroying them? They're mobile. They know how to hide in the shadows, regroup, and come back even stronger. What we really need to do is stop believing that we can install democracy in other countries. We need to get out of that entire region, and let the middle east deal with middle east. |
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Post by kissy on Nov 15, 2015 20:38:18 GMT -7
Or at least the leadership in place to How would we go about destroying them? They're mobile. They know how to hide in the shadows, regroup, and come back even stronger. What we really need to do is stop believing that we can install democracy in other countries. We need to get out of that entire region, and let the middle east deal with middle east.Yes please.  |
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Post by mon on Nov 16, 2015 5:19:42 GMT -7
I agree. I think we should let the slaughter of Christians continue. I think we should stand back and let women and children be used as sex slaves. It's the Middle East's problem not ours
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Post by mon on Nov 16, 2015 5:21:59 GMT -7
Those isis people are actually not as hard to find by the way. They seem to have a ton of our weapons that we gave to them or they took
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Post by mon on Nov 16, 2015 5:25:46 GMT -7
Those Kurds know how to fight them. Maybe we should take a page out of their page book. Look to see what they are doing. The only problem is that ISIS seems to have gained some chemical weapons that were never over there and likes to gas villages.
I wonder if Americans had this same argument when Hitler took aver Germany and started killing Jews and other people that were inferior to him. If you go back and research headlines, Americans said it wasn't our problem. It was a European problem.
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Post by mon on Nov 16, 2015 5:27:43 GMT -7
France seemed pretty quick to know where to launch air strikes to.
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Post by kissy on Nov 16, 2015 6:58:41 GMT -7
France seemed pretty quick to know where to launch air strikes to. Yep, and I'm sure women and children were killed in those airstrikes. Either way, innocents will die, whether we do the striking or we let these idiots fight it out amongst themselves. |
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