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Post by kissy on Oct 30, 2015 5:35:00 GMT -7
You know the story, the girl who didn't put her phone away fast enough for the teacher, in class, and then wouldn't remove herself from class so the security officer came and in physically removed her from her desk--tipping it backwards with her in it and then once she was freed he literally threw her across the room. From what I've read the girl had recently lost her mother and grandmother and is currently living in foster care.  I get that there are quite a few disrespectful and entitled brats who have no respect for authority but I feel that in this situation the actions of the officer were beyond normal. I'm sorry, but unless a person is a threat to themselves or others they needn't be manhandled. Disrespectful or not. I had a few friends on FB yesterday calling this girl all sorts of names, blaming her parents, showing support for the officer (who I read has had issues with his use of unnecessary force before but I didn't verify), blah blah blah. It made me sad yesterday, so little understanding, empathy, sympathy, for a young lady who I don't even want to imagine what she's going through right now--over her cell phone. Seriously? Is it me? Am I just too soft in my old age? Why not call in the guidance counselor to come talk to her calmly, remove her from class and deal with it more sensitively? |
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Post by smokinghorse on Oct 30, 2015 7:25:30 GMT -7
I totally agree. The thing is that it shouldn't matter what she did. Unless she is threatening you or armed with some kind of weapon, no student should be dealt with that way. Ever. I understand that she might have been disrespectful. Even so, that officer was acting out of anger, and nothing else. If you can't take your emotions out of the equation, and hold yourself to a higher standard, you don't belong in law enforcement.
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Post by kissy on Oct 30, 2015 8:42:48 GMT -7
Totally agree. If a parent did that to a child it would be abuse. Not ok.
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Post by History on Oct 30, 2015 11:07:03 GMT -7
She did hit the officer. But that's still no excuse. There's a million ways to diffuse a situation even after a kid has taken a swing at you that don't involve throwing them across a room. The kids knew as soon as he walked into the room to start filming based on his reputation. That alone speaks volumes.
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Post by kissy on Oct 30, 2015 11:41:03 GMT -7
I did see somewhere that it said she struck out, I didn't see it on any video. But still. Can you imagine? I mean, I'm going through a separation and I'd like to think that my kid is still grounded and won't lash out, but what if he didn't? This is just heartbreaking. What about asking another student, a friend of hers, to try to talk to her? Why not? Over a phone. A stupid phone. But maybe that phone had texts from her mom. or her grandmother. It just makes me sad.
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Post by nomorewirehanger on Nov 13, 2015 15:33:00 GMT -7
I never know what to think about these things. I attended an extremely violent highschool. My sister was sexually assaulted in the hallway while working as a substitute teacher. Brutally shoved up against a wall by a student twice her size. Multiple witnesses. While he groped her and tried to get her clothes off in fucking public.
No one helped so thank god she knew enough self defense to get him.off her..run away..and quit her job.
It was caught on a security camera (pre camera phones)
And the school reprimanded my sister and the district refused to reassign her (she was effectively let go ) because she had knee him in the crotch and struck him to get away. She was not given freedom to press charges because he didn't actually rape her, sustained no injuries other than minor bruising, and despite camera evidence the students in the hallway refused to give statements other than to say "the bitch was hot."
I don't give a damn how many cameras are on. They never tell the whole story. And I wish to God one of the office police had been in that hallway that day to throw that boy across a room.
This is why, in a nutshell, I will NEVER teach again.
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Post by nomorewirehanger on Nov 13, 2015 15:35:00 GMT -7
(Subsequently the student in my story ended up dead at police hands years later during a rather violent drug bust.)
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Post by kissy on Nov 13, 2015 15:43:20 GMT -7
I guess my thing is this whole encounter was caught on video and at no point was that girl aggressive or violent toward the officer. She was resisting instruction, but she didn't lash out (not even verbally) and wasn't physically aggressive.
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Post by nomorewirehanger on Nov 13, 2015 16:08:35 GMT -7
I just know the vast majority of "children" (and I'm including my own teenager in this)
Are... absolute assholes and I could not under any circumstances work in a highschool under any job description. I have to resist the urge to throw my own asshole teen across the room.
Often
Not excusing him. Obviously needs to be fired.
But the reason folks who work at high-schools sometimes snap ? I get it. If I had to GUESS? Mr. Officer had one too many run ins with violent kids he felt powerless to handle and instead of going.... kick boxing After work. Or drinking. Whatever... flipped his shit and threw the girl and here we are. Again... not excusing his actions in this instance, but I absolutely can see the scenarios under which these events happen play out in my mind. How my mother (a highschool teacher) is not a full blown alcoholic is beyond me.
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Post by nomorewirehanger on Nov 13, 2015 16:11:04 GMT -7
I also do not under any circumstances see this as related to the "overstep" of police officers against people of color. I see this as a highschool employee who lost his damn cool and it cost him his job. As it should have.
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Post by kissy on Nov 13, 2015 16:12:06 GMT -7
Oh I get it too, I totally get what you're saying! Sometimes we snap. Fo sho!
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Post by nomorewirehanger on Nov 13, 2015 20:21:17 GMT -7
Not excusable at all. But this is ... in my mind? The "less deadly" version of going postal? If that makes sense
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