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Post by smokinghorse on Mar 1, 2016 22:38:51 GMT -7
I'm pretty liberal. I believe in equal rights, and feminazism, and socialism, and many other isms.
How were the shorts where black actors replaced white actors so offensive and hypocritical? It wasn't black actors using humor to protest racial humor. It was black actors using humor to protest job discrimination. And frankly, cutting edge humor opens doors far more often than it closes them. It starts debates, it encourages discussion, it initiates conversations that need to happen.
I'm really tired of constantly being reprimanded for laughing at things I find funny. It's not politically incorrect. It's funny. Comedians won't play colleges any more. That used to be their bread and butter. Now they get boo-ed off the stage for being inflammatory and offensive. Society has to allow for testing boundaries. If we're too afraid to bring it up, how do we learn what's really sensitive, and where we have common ground?
Humor doesn't have to be universal, but we're all going to end up more segregated if we don't stop taking ourselves so damn seriously. Seriously.
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Post by ronin on Mar 2, 2016 7:17:07 GMT -7
The point of the skits were to raise awareness of a disparity that people of color face in Hollywood. There was also an awesome SNL skit about it that I thought was funny and on point. Anyone deriving any other meaning sadly misses the point of #OscarsSoWhite...and comedy. Good comedy should make you squirm.
I'm disappointed that, yet again, an attempt by minorities to open the country's eyes to their perspective is met with victim blaming and shaming.
The skits were funny. Laugh your face off, Abs, because that was the intention.
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Post by ronin on Mar 2, 2016 7:18:44 GMT -7
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Post by smokinghorse on Mar 2, 2016 14:42:17 GMT -7
Funny! There's just a bunch of backlash. Asians are pissed, transgenders are pissed, and I just wanna understand.
The example somebody used about black people not getting it was Dave Chappelle making an Asian joke, then saying, "Just so you know, my wife is Asian". Which they said was so ridiculous because it's the same thing as white people saying, "I have black friends". Um, that's good of you to point out, because Dave might not have made that connection. He's pretty thick when it comes to racial hypocrisy and all.
Or, it could be that having an Asian wife gives him some insight into their culture, whereas having black friends really still leaves most white people I know clueless to the fact that black moms actually FEAR their sons leaving the house. Because black men get shot in their neighborhoods every day. That's not hyperbole for these black parents. It's a reality we can't even imagine. Goddamn right they're mad.
Why aren't we all?
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Post by ronin on Mar 2, 2016 17:52:36 GMT -7
I can't TU that enough Abs.
It's willful ignorance. People who don't want to understand the point, or too stupidly point out that their pain should be focused on more than another person's pain. I was mostly fascinated by the comments about Tracy Morgan. He made some horrible remarks in the past, and others should be offended by them. That said, I'm sure his dressing up like a girl was only for comedic emphasis (he really was funny as shit) and not to poke fun at a gay community that he had already alienated with his comments. I'd bet that never crossed anyone's minds. Asians should speak up. LGBT should speak up. It's all dialogue and letting other people know how we would like to be treated. It's what we should be doing.
White folks though, need to get on board or STFU. There are too many ignorant (white) people right now saying the same thing they've always said,"White people can't make fun of minorities, but minorities can make fun of white people? What?! How's that fair?" Well.... All they're doing is poking fun in the name of good humor. White people beat, kill, and oppress minorities. Daily. In today's America, not the 1950s. Minorities are such amazing people to retaliate only with wit. When minorities try to seriously address the issues they face with white folks, they're met with some variation of "you do it to yourselves." Fuck all that. It's far from accurate; it's not fair; it's shameful.
This is the part where I'm supposed to say, "I'll get off my soapbox now." Nope. #soapbox4life
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Post by smokinghorse on Mar 2, 2016 21:31:29 GMT -7
Thank you. Preach!
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Post by kissy on Mar 3, 2016 5:57:21 GMT -7
I'm not even really sure what I'm supposed to be offended by, I don't watch the Oscars and most people in Hollywood live so far outside any reality I know I just don't really care about them.
I guess on some level, racial disparity in Hollywood is similar to that ethnic minorities face in the real world but I guess it's just hard for me to see. Are black actors paid less for the same roles as their white counterparts? Or is this just a matter of there being more white people cast in high profile movies than black people are? I dunno, I don't get it and I'm not sure I care to. But down here near the bottom of the American dream, there is absolutely discrimination and it's ugly and disgusting and we should be ashamed of ourselves.
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Post by kissy on Mar 3, 2016 5:59:34 GMT -7
Oh, and I have no idea what that Olive Garden commercial means, LOL!
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Post by ronin on Mar 3, 2016 6:11:49 GMT -7
Oh, for fuck sake. Stupid YouTube. >: (
I think I fixed it.
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Post by ronin on Mar 3, 2016 6:22:33 GMT -7
I don't watch the Oscars either Kissy, because they're Boring As Fuck. The controversy mainly stems from the lack of recognition for minority projects, and also a serious exclusion of people of color from leading roles and key crew positions.
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Post by kissy on Mar 3, 2016 7:09:17 GMT -7
Haha, that was funny!
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Post by nomorewirehanger on Mar 3, 2016 13:45:37 GMT -7
The problem isn't ...as I understand it ( I have friends who actually attend the Oscars and shit. Apparently people I went to school with actually used their degrees....)
Anyway. The way I understand it the main issue isn't even award recognition. It's in Hollywood's insistence on claiming that there just "aren't any roles" for black and other minorities being written...and that Tyler perry and etc can't be the only ones directing "black movies" if they want recognition. They see no issue with the fact that casting directors daily give away roles specifically written FOR minority characters IN MAJOR motion pictures ...to white actors. The casting and directing is where the "white washing" occur because the producers only want to make money. You make money with people who are already famous.
And from what I hear the rocky sequel Apollo was fucking terrible, Stallone was a pity nomination because he's ancient and it will be the only time it ever happens, and the young black actors performance simply , was not, Oscar worthy. Either by nature of a shitty script or inexperience he just didn't measure up or some shit.
I don't watch movies until they've been out for years.
But for example... Emma Stone's character in Aloha was supposed to be an Asian woman. These are their problems. Not the awards... but the fact that Hollywood won't even accept culpability for it's blatant racism in the interest of the dollar.
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Post by ronin on Mar 3, 2016 16:56:25 GMT -7
Don't forget about Ralph Fiennes playing Michael Jackson. Joke all you want, but Michael Jackson was a black man. Not cool.
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Post by kissy on Mar 3, 2016 17:27:56 GMT -7
Micheal Jackson was a black man until he decided he didn't want to be black anymore. If it's a story of his life they need a 'black kid' and a young 'black man' but grown up Michael was not black. You'd have a hard time casting even a light skinned black actor for that role, right?
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Post by ronin on Mar 3, 2016 19:41:10 GMT -7
No, ma'am.  Michael Jackson was a black man and should be played by a black man. Michael always contended (and doctors confirmed) that the lightening of his skin was due to a skin disorder ( www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290367,00.html ). I don't think it's a far-fetched explanation (compared with listening to him talk about his obvious facial surgeries, he lied a lot about those). The makeup crew on the movie will have to do some work on whoever plays Michael, just because of the dramatic change in his appearance over the course of his life. There's no reason that should be a challenge for them if a black actor was cast. Those people are serious magic makers. |
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Michael Jackson was a black man and should be played by a black man. Michael always contended (and doctors confirmed) that the lightening of his skin was due to a skin disorder (